From thunder421@earthlink.net Fri Nov 10 01:29:28 2000 Path: news1.frmt1.sfba.home.com!newshub3.home.com!newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com!newshub2.home.com!news.home.com!howland.erols.net!newsfeed.mindspring.net.MISMATCH!news.mindspring.net!newsfeed2.earthlink.net!newsfeed.earthlink.net!newsmaster1.prod.itd.earthlink.net!newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net.POSTED!not-for-mail From: thunder421@earthlink.net (Ed Rasimus) Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military Subject: Re: WWII fighter turn rate/vs side Message-ID: <3a0c17d5.144724161@news.earthlink.net> References: <3a07410d.6181742@news.earthlink.net> <20001106221348.20828.00000077@ng-fd1.news.cs.com> <3A077A73.243D3154@oneimage.com> <9WLN5.24965$rl.2138997@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net> <3A0B4DE9.90DC8D76@oneimage.com> X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lines: 49 Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 15:50:16 GMT NNTP-Posting-Host: 24.221.202.132 X-Complaints-To: abuse@earthlink.net X-Trace: newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net 973871416 24.221.202.132 (Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:50:16 PST) NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 10 Nov 2000 07:50:16 PST Organization: EarthLink Inc. -- http://www.EarthLink.net Xref: newshub2.rdc1.sfba.home.com rec.aviation.military:30274452 "Dudley Henriques" wrote: > >"Walter Bjorneby" wrote in message >news:3A0B4DE9.90DC8D76@oneimage.com... >> Dudley, I found the greatest help tp me flying the f4 to max was the solid >> grounding I got flying the old T6(SNJ) to max under the tutelage of my >> instructor a crop-duster pilot. > >I agree completely. It's very easy to lose those "basic" skills that >contribute to a complete understanding of what's actually happening to your >airplane at any given instant. In fact, in ACM, I've always believed that >regardless of what you are flying, the real measure of how well you can >handle your airplane is always found in the extreme upper left hand corner >of the envelope, and that computes out to what you can do >defensively.... You guys have shacked the concept for sure. I remember a friend I was flogging T-37s with at Willie had gone up to Canada with a buddy when the RCAF was liquidating their Harvard fleet. They each bought one (a Canadian T-6) and brought them back to Falcon Field in Mesa AZ. The buddy was a KC-135 type, IPing in the T-37 and the friend was Mike Dillon, a former crop duster, then a TWA 707 captain and now the driving force behind Dillon Precision which makes the world's best reloading equipment. Tanker bud is trying to teach "formation" flying to Dillon who's never done it. Inevitably the formation flights degenerate into a rat-race and Dillon soundly beats the tanker driver. Each day, tanker driver corners me at work for a lesson in BFM. Each evening he goes out to Falcon and flies the Harvard and loses to Dillon. Finally he asks me to come along for some in-flight BFM. I strap into the back seat of the Harvard and we go out with Dillon. I get my butt beat by Dillon repeatedly. Looking back over my shoulder watching Dillon tracking, tracking, I see the rudder working feverishly as the plane is always on the verge of a stall. Turning in, he works right at the edge of the burble, then moves the nose up with rudder. Just as it's about to depart he walks the nose back down with little loss of back pressure and grabs a knot or two. Then back up into tracking. I'm humbled and amazed. Ed Rasimus Fighter Pilot (ret) *** Ziff-Davis Interactive *** (http://www.zdnet.com)