--- Log opened Fri Dec 15 00:00:56 2006 00:55 ::: _maza_!n=ernesti@b17.lkruuti.tontut.fi has joined: #rpm 01:19 ::: symbiont_!n=symbiont@netblock-68-183-67-79.dslextreme.com has joined: #rpm 01:36 ::: S_A!n=S_A@209.8.41.136 has joined: #rpm 01:37 Hi! what is the command to extract files from an rpm package ? 01:43 ::: Foolish!n=foolish@171.84-48-54.nextgentel.com has joined: #rpm 01:47 ::: dries!n=dries@cable-213-132-131-217.upc.chello.be has quit: 01:53 Can anyone tell me from where does rpm find information about installed packages in system ? 01:56 ::: wRAR!n=wRAR@unaffiliated/wrar has joined: #rpm 01:56 ::: wRAR!n=wRAR@unaffiliated/wrar has left #rpm: "See your face every place that I walk in... Hear your voice every time that I'm talking..." 02:01 ::: symbiont_!n=symbiont@netblock-68-183-67-79.dslextreme.com has quit: "Leaving" 02:46 ::: sjbrown!n=sjbrown@mailout1.vmware.com has joined: #rpm 02:47 how do i tell if rpm --resign fails? 04:06 ::: S_A!n=S_A@209.8.41.136 has quit: Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer) 04:12 ::: laroche!n=laroche@p54A08EA1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de has joined: #rpm 04:28 ::: jeremy!i=katzj@nat/redhat/x-0bdf990b8cbc523b has quit: "Getting off stoned server - dircproxy 1.2.0" 04:29 ::: jeremy!i=ikatzj@nat/redhat/x-5504ed5684c96d87 has joined: #rpm 04:59 ::: unlink!n=unlink@unaffiliated/unlink has joined: #rpm 05:01 ::: unlink!n=unlink@unaffiliated/unlink has left #rpm: "unlink->i_nlink--;" 05:05 ::: liljencrantz!n=axel@c-f195e255.125-3-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se has joined: #rpm 05:08 The rpm version in Fedora right now does not use getopt_long() to parse parameters, and rpm parses switches in a slightly incompatible way. This is not only confusing in itself, it also messes up the command specific tab completions in some shells. Would a patch that converts rpm to use getopt_long() be accepted? 05:14 ::: oiaohm!i=oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm has joined: #rpm 05:14 I wonder about this rewrite if they are at long last going to deal with the difference between deb and rpm. 05:15 The configutation tool access option from the deb package manager. 05:25 Ok how to i post a feature request for rpm. 05:54 ::: niemeyer!n=niemeyer@201.14.38.176 has joined: #rpm 06:03 ::: jayeola!n=jayeola@host86-146-92-22.range86-146.btcentralplus.com has joined: #rpm 06:06 sjbrown: hm... examine exitcode? 06:06 you should be able to tell it from rpm terminal output, though 06:12 hey chaps. when building an rpm kernel after "make menuconfig" all i need to do is "make rpm", yah? 06:21 ::: niemeyer_!n=niemeyer@201.14.38.176 has joined: #rpm 06:23 ::: niemeyer!n=niemeyer@201.14.38.176 has quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) 06:32 jayeola: dunno, I never built a kernel rpm that way 06:38 have you built one at all? 06:38 i'm woking from this but it ain't happening for me:- http://www.howtoforge.com/kernel_compilation_fedora 06:38 sure, from distro src.rpm 06:39 hrm.... 06:39 I made a patch, added it to the spec, rpmbuild -bb --target i686 and it worked 08:25 oiaohm: its not a rewrite. 08:26 oiaohm: the best place to request features currently is the mailing list. 08:35 I was just a little short. A tidy up. 08:35 Ok I will have to place that in mailling list. 08:37 Because it the one reason why debian people fight rpm so much. debs are simple to find the configure tools of a package ie rpm --configure packagename would be so handy. 08:44 .deb vs .rpm is a religious war, there is no actual technical merit behind it. RPM not doing interactive configuration during install is by design. 08:44 So 08:45 Should it be hard to find the configuation tool to reconfigure a package. 08:45 Or should the package manager make it simple. 08:46 I am not asking about interactive during install. 08:46 I have no desire to argue this with you. I'm just stating a fact. 08:46 The different from my point of view is on a deb system I need to know one command most of the time to reconfigure any package. 08:47 On a rpm package I have to know each packages configeration point. 08:47 From a using point of view I prefer simple to reconfigure. 08:48 Deb configure on install is a pain. I don't want that. 08:53 Anything I have said goes against the goals of rpm package manager. I don't think it does. 08:54 oiaohm: I told you, I'm not going to engage in this conversation. I'd suggest bringing it to the mailing list. 08:56 Just want to know if I will be flamed to death or not. 08:57 Possibly. If propse a sane argument and word it politely you probably won't be though. 08:58 Ok so wording is going to be very important. 09:01 Thanks very much bess. Its sometimes getting advice before posting into a mailing list can stop a super fight over nothing. 09:01 Opps bress 09:06 oiaohm: um, rpm -qc packagename 09:06 oiaohm: it will tell you all the configuration files in said package name. 09:06 oiaohm: same with rpm -qd for docs 09:06 the deb command throws the configuration tool up. 09:07 Ie runs it. 09:07 not every package has a configuration tool 09:07 unless you're talking about 'vi' 09:07 $EDITOR 09:07 Yep the last resport of deb 09:07 * bress notes all the cool kids use $VISUAL 09:07 Open config file in set editor. 09:07 a spec attribute to point out the blessed configuration tool might be taken, but how do you handle a package that has say 50 config files? 09:08 $ rpm -qc httpd |wc -l 09:08 28 09:09 ::: ajax!i=ajackson@nat/redhat/x-2c93561e3b703b1d has joined: #rpm 09:09 Apache has a main config file. On in the case of deb systems there is a configuration tool provided for it. 09:10 I don't know how all the details will work out in the end.